Egypt: Christian Copts-Muslim Relations

Photo: Islamic protesters throw stones at the Coptic church and police officers.
BBC: 'Conversion' sparks Copt protest
More generally, however, Copts complain that they often face discrimination and that they are vastly under-represented in senior government positions and in the army and the police.
Also, allegations of forced conversions surface every year.
The rise of an assertive Islamist movement in Egyptian society in the last three decades has produced tensions in Coptic-Muslim relations.
US State Dept 2005 Report on Religious Freedom in Egypt: (interesting read...)
+ In February, hundreds of Christians demonstrated in Fayoum, protesting what they viewed as the kidnapping and forced conversion of two young women to Islam. However, there were reliable reports indicating that the women went willingly to the security directorate to convert, after falling in love with Muslim men.
+ On December 5, 2004, in the Upper Egyptian village of Mankatien, Minya Governorate, a Muslim mob reportedly attacked a new Coptic church and damaged property belonging to Christians. Sources reported that a Christian-owned pharmacy and home were burned down, while the mob's attempt to burn down the church reportedly failed. In reaction to the incidents, police imposed a curfew and arrested 15 local Muslims, but some Christians alleged the police had been too slow to react. None of the victims received any compensation for the damages resulting from this incident.
+ On March 25, near Mankatien, a Muslim motorist allegedly ran over a group of Christian children who were walking home after attending Friday church classes. Nermeen Kamal Malak, an 8-year old girl, was killed; others received minor injuries. Christian villagers described the accident as deliberate. In response, many Christian villagers in Mankatien demonstrated, demanding an end to their 28-year wait for approval for a reconstruction permit.
+ As of late June 2005, there were 49 other cases involving individuals who converted to Islam and then back to Christianity, who were attempting to recover their original Christian identities. All of these cases were before the same judge of the Cairo Administrative Court who ruled in the Gibran case. Of these 49 individuals, approximately 8 had received verdicts allowing them to recover their Christian identities
+ In May 2003, SSIS arrested Metwalli Ibrahim Metwalli Saleh, apparently because of his progressive views on Islam. Metwalli's unpublished research, which he distributed to religious scholars and several embassies prior to his arrest, refuted the idea that it is a Muslim's religious duty to kill an "apostate"
Three killed in Egypt church riot
"Protesters threw stones at the Coptic church and police officersThree people have died during a riot outside a Coptic church in Alexandria, Egypt, after a protest against a play accused of offending Islam.
Coptic Christian leaders have said the play depicts the dangers of extremism, not of Islam.
"Copts would never tolerate anyone insulting Islam," Coptic Bishop Armia is quoted by Egypt's official Mena news agency as saying. "
Three thousand Coptic demonstrators in Cairo, el-Minia, el-Behara and Assiut provinces gathered on December 5 and 6, 2004 to protest the abduction and forced conversion to Islam of Wafaa Constantine, the wife of a Coptic priest. Demonstrators further protested President Mubarak’s inattention to Coptic pleas for protection from government persecution. The on-going two-day protest is a response to the predominantly Muslim Egyptian government’s sanction of anti-Coptic hate crimes such as arson, torture, murder, and the abduction, rape, and forced conversion of young Coptic women. Although Egypt’s native Christian Copts—numbering between 12-15 million and constituting approximately 15% of Egypt’s population—have long been targets for Muslim extremists, a recent rise in anti-Coptic sentiment has prompted an escalation in violence against Copts.
Coptic Christian nun on the ground after being stabbed by then 18-yr old Islamic extremist.










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An article about some Copts views on Hizbullah...
CAIRO — Egypt's Copts have hailed the Lebanese resistance movement Hizbullah and its chief Hassan Nasrallah as a source of pride to Muslims and the Arab world, and launched a fund-raising campaign to help the Lebanese people in their current trial.
"All Arabs must be proud of Hizbullah's gallantry," Bishop Rafiq Gris, the spokesman for the Egyptian Catholic Church, told IslamOnline.net Monday, July 31.
Very paradoxical everything is.
joshua...yes, the irony is blinding
Breaking story:
A federal judge ruled Thursday that the government's warrantless wiretapping program is unconstitutional and ordered an immediate halt to it.
Syria’s Role in the War in Lebanon
By Michael Eisenstadt and David Schenker - August 8, 2006
Recent developments related to the war in Lebanon—a warning from Damascus that Israeli forces in Lebanon should keep away from the Syrian border, the placement of Syrian forces on a heightened state of alert, the explosion of a crude improvised explosive device (IED) on the Syrian side of the Golan, President Bashar al-Asad’s bellicose August 1 Army Day speech, Syrian facilitation of Iranian efforts to resupply Hizballah, and Israeli attempts to interdict these supply lines through air strikes along the Lebanon-Syria border—have prompted concerns that the fighting in Lebanon could escalate to involve Syria. Warnings from Damascus that an international stabilization force for Lebanon would be seen as an army of occupation, and therefore a legitimate target of resistance, have likewise raised the possibility that Syria might sponsor or support attacks on such a force, as it sponsored attacks against the Multi-National Force (MNF) in Beirut in 1982–1984.
it's sad in Egypt, sometimes my family is really scared about the future
So much unrest, rage, distrust, disunity, bias and hatred, pain and misery... is there no peace and humanity anywhere?
"So much unrest, rage, distrust, disunity, bias and hatred, pain and misery... is there no peace and humanity anywhere?"
Hi Worried...well there ARE many places with peace and humanity (maybe the places that you and me are living in right now?). Unfortunately, those places are boring and make for boring news stories...so instead...we show on TV and in the papers all the "unrest, rage, distrust, disunity, bias and hatred, pain and misery" that we can show.
I've posted new links under "Hellenic Links"
ERT Satellite (Greek) - Live Feed
Hellenic Radio
RIK Satellite (Cyprus) - Live Feed
i think they've calmed down now in egypt. but it was kinda serious.
interesting...
Al-Hajeji, yes my Egyptian friends say the same.
Thanks for your comment.
As always it's appreciated.
Take care
From Wikipedia
Coptic is the most recent phase of ancient Egyptian. It is the direct descendant of the ancient language written in Egyptian hieroglyphic, hieratic, and demotic scripts. The Coptic alphabet is a slightly modified form of the Greek alphabet, with some letters (which vary from dialect to dialect) deriving from demotic.
We must ask a Copt Blogger
but i think
They are proud to be Original Egyptians
Ergo, thanks for the post, good point.
There are Copts who can trace (or try to trace) their roots back to the ancient Egyptians but it seems that the majority of Copts are Arab Egyptians who have been Christian Copts for generations and say "I am Arab."
Also the Christians in Syria, Iraq and other parts of the middle east...the majority are Arab as well and will tell you that they are proud to be Arab.
You can be Christian, Muslim and Jew..and be an Arab.
You're right, would love to have a Copt posting here...
A lot of these cases shows the wisdom of separating religion and state.
I noticed most Lebanese Christians also praised Hezbollah...at least when the camera was on. Often in private though, it was a different story.
I'm sure if these Christians didn't at least make some display of Arab unity there would have been repercussions.
I was reading your comments and noticed their was some discussion on Arab identity. It seems now that in most Islamic state in this region the people claim Arab origin. Iran obviously being one of the exceptions. From my understanding, Algerians mostly derived from a people called the Berbers, but most Algerians will claim to be Arab. I would think that with the passage of time it gets harder and harder to identify separate population groups.
truth, truth, truth...shine the light on truth
from anderson cooper 360 blog
"Abu Ghraib whistleblower: 'I lived in fear'
Joe Darby is a military guy. A tough guy. About 6-feet tall, with a shaved head. He is best known as the whistleblower behind the Abu Ghraib prison scandal in Iraq.
"I think the picture that bothered me the most was the one you see on TV and Internet of the male Iraqi standing and the other male Iraqi kneeling in front of him with the sandbags over their heads," Darby told me today.
Darby was first given the disturbing pictures by Specialist Charles Graner, who is now serving 10 years for his part in the abuse. Darby said he had asked Graner for photos from their travels so he could share them with his family. Instead, he got photos of prisoner abuse.
For weeks, Darby struggled with the biggest decision of his life. Should he turn in the photos to the Criminal Investigation Division?
"Ultimately it needed to be done. ... It had to be done," he said.
As the suspects were rounded-up, Darby grew scared.
"They had their weapons. They slept in the same compound I did. And they were trying to find out who turned them in. For that four to six weeks, I lived in fear that they would figure out it was me. I slept with a loaded weapon under my pillow until they left," he said.
Unfortunately, Darby couldn't stay anonymous forever. While dining at the mess hall with 400 others, he watched and listened as Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld publicly thanked him on national television. Darby says he left the mess hall immediately, out of fear.
Darby stood his ground as members of the military and his own family ostracized him. They called him a rat, a traitor, and a whistleblower.
"I don't like the tag that much. I view it as -- I was a soldier and I was an MP. I was just doing my job. And they violated the law," he said.
Things got so bad his wife called the Pentagon for extra security. Eventually, Darby and his wife had to move away. They entered military protective custody.
Today, they won't tell anyone where they live or who they work for. Still, Darby says he's proud to have served in the military and that he has no regrets.
(Editor's note: Randi Kaye's piece on Joe Darby airs on "360", tonight 10 p.m. ET)"
American Crusader and Sean, thanks for your comments.
AC, I agree: the separation of Church and state is a more logical and natural course of progress for countries. It seems directly linked to increased democracy and freedom of expression, religion, speach, etc.
Anyone will be able to find examples of freedom encroached in such countries as the US and Britain...but how many examples can you find in Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and Iran?
What about Isreal? I don't know...some people say there IS a separation of religious groups and governance. Anyone know?
I really enjoyed reading some of those quotes in the sidebar, I could have lived without the pictures of the scantily clad women you have on the blog - who have a better figure than me by a long shot!
Glad you visited my blog earlier or I wouldn't have known about this place.
And more seriously, I'm deeply saddened by the image and the shocking action of the stabbing of the nun. Lord, have Mercy.
why some people cry for muslim girl who lost her job with jazeera????
does they cry when Christian or hindu lose job with BBC? funny!!
Does they cry when innocent Chinese raped, beat, and killed by muslim in indonesia?
Does they cry when innocent Africans raped, beat, and killed by muslims in Africa?
Does they cry when innocent people, Christian and muslim, raped, beat, and killed by muslims in middle east?
Does they cry when innocent people blow up in planes, restaurants, crowded shopping place by muslims?
Is one woman who lost her job more important than those innocent victims?
Thanks for your comments on my blog. Maybe, someday humanity will make peace with itself. I really learned a lot from your blog posts.
Wishing You Good Health And Plenty Of Wealth,
~SirScott~
peaceman, lots of Muslims and Jews have also been killed by Christians in the past. I hope they don't prejudge Christians because of it...so we shouldn't prejudge all Muslims.
ukok and scott, thanks for visiting.
All we can hope for is that there aren't SNAKES ON A PLANE.
i take it the movie wasn't very good?
Submission
A short fim by Theo Van Gogh. He was brutally murdered for making it by a Muslim. Van Gogh was shot several times and his throat was slashed.
As well as being stabbed twice, a knife was used to pin Death Threats to Other Non-Dhimmis to his chest.
All This...For making a Movie.
Fanatics
(some comments from youtube)
-- 3sailingdogs: islamofascism is the problem, the whole world over. they kill hindus in india, blow up buddhist statues in afghanistan, kill jews in israel, kill christians in spain. the problems are getting worse, and until your religion cleans itself up, lots more innocent muslims are going to die i'm afraid.
-- Cattttt: Notice how the most seriously hateful posts on vids like this are Muslim on Muslim? Sunni versus Shi'ite? Imagine if, say Baptists posted "you're not Christian" posts on a vid of a Methodist preacher. I am Christian, and I can post a positive comment on this. The Muslim comments are "anyone who is not the exact kind of Muslim I am, is not a Muslim."
The outcome, of course, is to kill the "non-Muslims," which include other Muslims.
Finally, a muslim with common sense
Oh god no, the movie was outstanding!
Someone else post this. I save it but forget save site.
Anonymous said...
Here is a quick quiz on Islam.
Question: What did the Prophet Mohammed (founder of the "religion of peace") do to the poets and artists listed below on the approximate dates written by each of the names?
1. March, 624: Al-Nadr bin al-Harith
2. March, 624: Uqba bin Abu Muayt
3. March, 624: Asma bint Marwan
4. April, 624: Abu Afak
5. September, 624: Kab bin al-Ashraf
6. September(?), 624: Ibn Sunayna
7. July or August, 625: A One-eyed Bedouin
8. January 630: One of Abdullah bin Katal’s two singing-girls
Answer: He had them killed for writing poems or singing songs that displeased him.
Now please tell me how any sane or reasonable person can have one iota of respect for this "Messenger of God" and the hideous death-cult he has inflicted upon humanity?
Egypt Copts Hizbullah...
what all this has to do with the real reasons. Those people exist for years and years. Just today we ...
anyway (interesting blog and really good articles)
Ektwras, please...finish your thought. We would love to know your opinions...
Greek basketball team beat Al-Jazeera one
ergo te lina: ellada mou glykia!
But the link is not opening, do you have another link?
Venezuela - Lebanon 72-82!
Greece 84 Ntikoudis (26pts), Diamantidis (5rbs), Spanoulis (4ast)
Qatar 64 Ali (17pts), Abdullah (7rbs), Ali (3ast)
http://www.eurobasket.com/events/wc/wc06.asp
ahh yes the World Championship started!
Bravo Lebanon!
Bravo Ellada!
They were just innocent pilgrims...
Seven pilgrims heading to a major Shiite religious gathering were shot dead in a Sunni neighborhood...
I didnt find thing that i need... :-(
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