Monday, October 23, 2006

Appeasement of Terrorists



"I don't see much future for the Americans" -- Adolf Hitler

Photo: The 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) — nicknamed the "Screaming Eagles" - were an instrumental part of the Allied defeat of Nazi Germany.

"...our boys...realized that the American soldier was just a paper tiger." -- Osama Bin Laden
+ Number of terrorists killed or captured in Iraq continues to rise +++ Iraq & terrorists


"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping that it will eat him last." -- Sir Winston Churchill

This is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is peace in our time. -- Neville Chamberlain, on returning to England from his Munich meeting with Hitler in 1938

"If ever that silly old man comes interfering here again with his umbrella, I'll kick him downstairs and jump on his stomach in front of the photographers. " -- Adolf Hitler after meeting with Neville Chamberlain

"The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies — civilians and military — is an individual duty for every Muslim...Every Muslim, from the moment they realize the distinction in their hearts, hates Americans, hates Jews and hates Christians. " -- Osama Bin Laden

Nicholas Berg (April 2 1978 – May 7, 2004) was an American businessman who was abducted and later beheaded in May 2004 by Islamic militants. The CIA claimed that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi personally beheaded Berg. +
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Appeasement of fanatics does not work. I feel silly that I even have to type that. However, there are many who believe that we can "talk" and "negotiate" with terrorists. Many feel that we can pay them off. The Orthodox Christian priest who was beheaded recently in Iraq...well his kidnappers had asked for a ransom. The family, with the help of friends, managed to collect the large sum of money in order to pay off the terrorists. Then the terrorists abruptly broke of communications and killed the priest anyway.

Appeasing terrorists will destroy non-Muslim and Muslim together. I am happy to see that more and more brave Muslims are speaking out against Islamic terrorists. I am happy to see that more and more Muslims are actually working with their respective countries to help hunt down the bad guys. That is a distinct bravery that I much admire.

"Britain needs a new generation of Muslim leaders who are untainted by association with, or sympathy for, Islamic extremism and who are proud of their British identity. They must be willing to condemn terrorism unequivocally and help root out extremists from Muslim communities. Their role in helping defeat Islamic terrorism will be invaluable...The open letter by Muslim leaders is a cynical act of disloyalty toward Britain. It echoes the propaganda of militant Islamic extremist organizations like al-Qaeda, expounding the view that the West is to blame for terrorist attacks because of its support for Israel and its actions in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other parts of the Islamic world."


1993 Mumbai bombings: Retaliation by the Muslim underworld and militant Islamic groups for the Babri Mosque demolition in December, 1992 (no loss of life). The retaliation by Islamic groups led to 257 dead with 1,400 others injured (some news sources say 317 people died; this is due to a bomb which killed 60 in Calcutta on March 17). Several days later, unexploded car bombs were discovered at a railway station. Islamic terrorist groups based in Pakistan were suspected to be responsible for these bombings, and evidence uncovered pointed to the involvement of underworld don Dawood Ibrahim.

August 25, 2003: Two explosions in quick succession in Mumbai, India , are estimated to have killed about 48 innocent civilians. One of these explosions took place near the Gateway of India in the vicinity of the Taj Hotel, a five-star hotel, which attracts many affluent foreign tourists from the world of business, from the West as well as the Gulf. No action has been taken against Lashkar activities in the other countries of the Gulf either. The Mumbai blasts of August 25, which have come in the wake of four other blasts with less casualty earlier, would show that the security agencies have so far not been able to identify and neutralise all the sleeper agents of the Lashkar who have burrowed into not only Mumbai, but also Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu. Many undetected networks continue to operate...

On July 13, 2006, Senior Bharatiya Janata Party leader Keshri Nath Tripathi blamed the "politics of appeasement" for the 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings.


Dead bodies of the 2003 Mumbai serial blasts, lie at the Bhagwati hospital in Borivili. Seven bomb blasts in different suburban trains on the Western Line killed more than 200 people and leaving several hundrends injured.


If you're unwilling to condemn these violent acts against humanity what does that say about you?

The terrorists we are fighting feel strongly that what they are doing is just. They are more than willing to die for their beliefs. In their hearts and minds they see America and it's allies as having "lost their humanity" and as enemies of Islam. Killing them therefore is justified based on their perverted interpretation of Islam. They are more than willing to die for their cause and I believe that we should help them towards that goal.

"Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
-- General George S. Patton


+ Islamic insurgents kill 2 Pakistani soldiers +++ Six people were killed and 31 wounded when a bomb hit a crowded shopping area in Pakistan's northwestern city of Peshawar on Friday, the sixth such explosion in the city in a month, police said. +++ Two Eritrean Christians Tortured to Death ~ For the third year in a row, the U.S. State Department named Eritrea a “Country of Particular Concern” in its annual religious freedom report last month, designating it one of the worst violators of religious freedom in the world. +++ After the Thai government promises PEACE...at least six people were killed in a series of bomb and gun attacks in Thailand's rebellious Muslim south

33 Comments:

Blogger FreeCyprus said...

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"The position of Iraq's small but ancient Christian community is growing more tenuous, as militant Islamists attack churches and priests. Now some Iraqi Christians want to create a separate, autonomous enclave for their community on the Nineveh Plain of Northern Iraq. Jacki Lyden discusses the climate for Christians in Iraq today and one possible plan with Michael Youash of Iraq Sustainable Democracy Project and Pascale Warda, a former human rights adviser to the Iraqi government."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6360416

9:46 AM  
Blogger FreeCyprus said...

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"Russia has forced dozens of non-governmental organizations to cease operating in the country, shutting down humanitarian agencies like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International. A new Russian law requires NGOs to file with the government and await registration.

Marshall Goldman, associate director of the Davis Center for Russian Research at Harvard University, tells Robert Siegel that the move by the Russian government is a combination of bureaucracy and harassment.

Goldman says President Vladimir Putin is suspicious of foreign NGOs."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6355052

9:48 AM  
Blogger FreeCyprus said...

Interesting...I notice that some of my readers come from the following countries:

* Iran

* Israel

* Turkey

* Mumbai, India

* Sri Lanka

* France

* Germany

* United States (universities, government and military ISPs)

* Egypt

* United Arab Emirates

* Iraq

Welcome.

Feel free to give us your opinions on anything you may agree or disagree with.

10:02 AM  
Blogger David Schantz said...

My former Father-In-Law served under Patton. He said he hated him at the time. Now he understands a little better and gives him credit for saving thousands of American lives. We could use someone like him now.

God Bless America, God Save The Republic.

2:13 PM  
Blogger Fight The Good Fight! said...

My sentiments exactly david.
We need a WW ll mentality today, Americans and our allies need to fight the good fight and unite!

My uncle was in the Battle of the Bulge, it was a last ditch effort by Hitler, but we eventually won!
Cheers to the great Militaries of the Allies! Cheers to the valient efforts of the Canadians!
Cheers to cyprus for his continued efforts to reveal the true intent of the extremists.

We need to stifle the propaganda, the media has to stop showing their videos everytime one is out out. We are better than them and we will win!
FTGF!

4:29 PM  
Blogger FreeCyprus said...

David and FTGF...no argument from me. Hats off to men like Patton, and to the brave men and women fighting the War on Terror all over the world.

David said: "God Bless America"
Hell yeah.

FTGF said: "We are better than them and we will win!"
Hell yeah!

10:30 PM  
Blogger FreeCyprus said...

Omar at IraqTheModel.blogspot.com is reporting the following right now:

Air Strikes in Baghdad.

Looks like there's something big going on in Baghdad to night.
Flares are filling the skies and fighter jets are striking targets in the city.

In the last 30 minutes I could see several aircrafts launching missiles and within seconds explosions would follow.


I will try to keep you updated once I learn more about this.

11:20 pm

No further explosions can be heard now but the jets of the US airforce still maintain heavy presence over the east, northeast parts of the city.

11:55 pm

Air activity has faded...seems that what happened in the past hour was likely a limited operation in sectors of Baghdad in and around Sadr city.
What I still can't figure out is the thing with flares. Flares usually indicate that ground forces are involved but so far there have been no reports on ground action.

10:31 PM  
Blogger FreeCyprus said...

CENTAF has more info:

"U.S. Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcons, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and U.S. Marine Corps F/A-18Cs provided close-air support to troops in contact with anti-Iraqi forces near Baghdad."

Other air support missions today:

"In Iraq, U.S. Marine Corps AV-8Bs conducted a strike against anti-Iraqi forces near Ramadi. The AV-8Bs fired cannon rounds on enemy targets.

U.S. Air Force F-16s provided close-air support to troops in contact with anti-Iraqi forces near Al Musayyib and Tikrit.

U.S. Air Force F-15Es provided close-air support to troops in contact with anti-Iraqi forces near Qal'at Rashid ar Rawt.

In total, coalition aircraft flew 38 close-air support missions for Operation Iraqi Freedom. They included support to coalition troops, infrastructure protection, reconstruction activities and operations to deter and disrupt terrorist activities. "

CENTAF airpower summary for Oct. 22: http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123029727

10:55 PM  
Blogger FreeCyprus said...

Ahhh...a peaceful end to peaceful Ramadan:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5642694

11:08 PM  
Blogger FreeCyprus said...

God bless Omar at IraqTheModel.blogspot.com

Ya gotta love the guy for saying it like it is:

That Mecca document.

Shia and Sunni Iraqi clerics were in Mecca last night to sign a document (or decree or treaty or whatever its name is!).
In my opinion choosing Mecca was not only for religious or spiritual reasons, actually I tend to believe that Saudi Arabia offered to host the meeting with such enthusiasm only to improve its image and change the general impression about it so that it's viewed as a country that supports peace and tolerance instead of a country that breeds extremism.

What the clerics agreed upon in that paper was no more than the fundamental fact and the first (or second) commandment in all religions; that is "murder is wrong".
How absurd and demeaning is that! As if they had to go to Holy Mecca to realize that murder is a crime. And as if they were admitting that until last night each sect's clerics didn't consider it a crime to murder someone from a different sect. Frankly I suspect there was never a time when they considered it a crime and I don't think signing that paper changed a thing.

With very rare exceptions, clerics are hypocrites who wear different faces for different times, situations and places, so all in all, I'm not expecting anything from that paper. Like Saudi Arabia, I think they went there and signed that paper also merely to improve their image and to pretend that they were/are not the ones to blame for the daily bloodshed in Iraq.

They want to satisfy their dead conscience and convince themselves that they had done their part of the job by signing that paper and that it's up to the people now to stop killing each other! As if it wasn't the militias they run and tensions they create that are causing the sectarian violence.

There's one other important point about the meeting that makes it rather impossible to expect it to make a difference on the ground; the two most vicious murderous factions that are responsible for most of the sectarian violence, i.e. al-Qaeda and Sadr's militia will not drop their weapons or stop their crimes just because some clerics signed a decree.

However, the document can possibly be of practical value only if it gets used in the right way; that is since the document alienates anyone who violates the points stated within, the MNF and the reluctant PM Maliki can take advantage of it and do what they have to do with people like Sadr who had long enjoyed unwritten immunity.

I mean if Sadr or certain Sunni groups refuse to abide by the articles of the decree and continue doing their daily dirty job then clerics and religious parties that signed the decree will have the pretext to stop the government or the MNF from taking action against them. Still, this is just in theory.

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_iraqthemodel_archive.html

11:23 PM  
Blogger Gunz said...

I must say the substance here on your blog is amazing. I've been meaning to get over this way every since I started reading your comments over at FTGF and mine; and I appreciate the visit. You said you were an aly and after looking over your material I believe it. Great work and keep it up. Semper Fi! I'll be back.

11:52 PM  
Blogger Fight The Good Fight! said...

I see you brought the heavy gunz over the border! Hey gunz! SF Marine!

Light 'em up!
I hope we get that murderer piece of shit sadr. (excuse my french)
Speaking of french, I see the intifada is going well. (bastards!)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,223577,00.html

Yes, good assessments from IraqTheModel. I will have to check him out more...so much time...so many blogs!

FTGF!

6:10 AM  
Blogger BPWFH said...

Appeasement never works. It's so sad you need to post this but the truth is many people think we can appease terrorists. Churchill's right - appeasing only helps you from being eaten first.

The terrorists know only one language and that is DEATH. I agree let's give it to them!

10:19 AM  
Anonymous emad said...

Listen my brothers and sisters...democracy is the natural path that every nation achieves. Some faster than others, but it will happen to Iraq as it will one day happen to my beautiful Lebanon.

Those kinds of philosophies like Marxism, Communism, Bidlaudism, Hezbollahism, or all the other "isms" that don't allow freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom to live in peace...these always die off eventually.

Please do not lose faith...the best for the Muslim world is yet to come.

Insha'Allah

emad

11:15 AM  
Anonymous proud infidel said...


http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2006/08/29/2003325350

Islamic nations are ranked as among the world's most corrupt and the fight to tackle the scourge could be tough due to poverty and poor governance, Malaysia's prime minister said yesterday.

Taking his anti-corruption message to the rest of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) nations, Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, who chairs the group, said there were no quick fixes to completely eradicate the problem.

"I am deeply saddened to note that Muslim countries, as a group, do not rate very highly when it comes to perceptions of corruption," he said at the opening of the group's first forum on graft.

"I believe that many of the development challenges that the Muslim Ummah [community] faces have their roots in problems of poverty, poor governance and limited education opportunities," he said.

11:38 AM  
Blogger American Crusader said...

When Neville Chamberlain came back from Munich and publicly declared "peace in our time" he wasn't completely fooled by Hitler and the Nazi party. He knew full well that war was inevitable but he also knew that England was unprepared. In his autobiography, Chamberlain said that he was trying to get time before Germany unleashed their military.
It didn't work.
When he finally issued an ultimatum to Germany before Germany attack Poland, it was too late.

12:47 PM  
Blogger American Crusader said...

emad said...

Listen my brothers and sisters...democracy is the natural path that every nation achieves. Some faster than others, but it will happen to Iraq as it will one day happen to my beautiful Lebanon.

I hope Lebanon will one day regain its former beauty and peacefulness although I'm not sure democracy will take hold in the Middle East.

12:48 PM  
Blogger betmo said...

i think that we have some common ground in that fundamentalists and radicals must be held at bay. fanaticism of any stripe- islamists, christians, jews, hindus, and so on- all must not be allowed to terrorize entire populations of folks around the world. i don't agree with the way this is being handled by my government at the present time. i am not the party in power- so before folks ask what my plan would be- and i am formulating one- you first. killing them doesn't seem to help fyi.

1:14 PM  
Blogger betmo said...

fc- i realize that last post sounded harsh- and i do thank you for your kind words at my site. i am frustrated beyond belief at the present time and in no way was lashing out at you personally.

1:15 PM  
Blogger Fight The Good Fight! said...

You have good faith and are optimistic emad. And Good qualities to have.
But they will not stop, it's like a cancer. It must be taken out!

betmo-haven't seen you around lately.
IMO she says she a moderate, but most of her commenters attitudes lean to the left.
BTW- I disagree with your inclusion of Christians and Jews, they do not terrorize anybody, unless you would like to expound on that. (?)

It would be have to be some great formulation you are planning, because the Dems an Libs have no real solution.

Clealy Democracies to not attack Democracies and it is one of Bush's formulations for peace in the Middle east. If it takes hold, and they open their eyes to unify their factions, then peace can be achieved.

FTGF!

3:20 PM  
Blogger Fight The Good Fight! said...

REGARDING France-

yea, that's what I was talking about FC.
Though FOX news did not say it was the Muslim immigrants. And so I thank you for the info, it is what I was wondering.
Agreed crusader.
FTGF!
daniel | Homepage | 10.23.06 - 3:21 pm

..'largely immigrant French neighborhoods'
AND
'ethnic minorities'
Fox news reports http://www.foxnews.com/story/ 0,2...,223577,00.html
daniel | Homepage | 10.23.0

3:30 PM  
Blogger beakerkin said...

Emad

There can be no democracy under Sharia as it does not recognize human rights.

My Uncle spent some time in Cyprus as a British Prisoner. Needless to say his memories were less than fond and he was given a choice of returning to Germany or going to the United States to live with his family. Those were tough times but hardly forgotten.

10:40 PM  
Blogger FreeCyprus said...

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bpwfh said "Appeasement never works". Agreed.

emad nice to see you again. I agree with you that "democracy is the natural path that every nation achieves" and I pray that one day we see it in the middle east other than in Israel.

"'isms' that don't allow freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom to live in peace...these always die off eventually." - it may be that Sharia-run governments may one day face the same fate. imho, people want to live in the 21st century....

proud infidel, thanks for the link

5:28 AM  
Blogger FreeCyprus said...

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hey Gunz, welcome aboard and thanks for the kind words. Semper Fi.

FTGF, I don't know what to do about Sadr. Naomi Klein, writing in the Nation, called al-Sadr and his supporters "the single greatest threat to U.S. military and economic control of Iraq."
I'd like to pull the trigger myself but he's damn popular although this is under some debate.

Some refer to him and his followers as little more than thugs, and the Coalition Provisional Authority continually refer to him as having little support. But there was a US-sponsored poll back in June 2004 which said 67% support him (32% "strongly support", 36% saying they "somewhat support" him). In the poll, he is the third most popular political figure, behind Ali Sistani but far ahead of the interim PM Iyad Allawi who was opposed by 61% and supported by only 23% of respondents. (This poll was taken before Allawi became prime minister.) Despite al-Sadr's popularity, only two percent of respondents selected him as their first choice for President of Iraq.

The sacred Imam Ali mosque has reportedly been issuing prayers for his safety during the call for prayer, and images of his face have been plastered all over the south of Iraq. Muqtada al-Sadr's real power base are a network of Shia charitable institutions, founded by his father, that distributed food in poor Shia areas. His strongest support comes from the class of dispossessed Shia, like in the Sadr City area of Baghdad

5:29 AM  
Blogger FreeCyprus said...

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American Crusader...thanks for the info on Neville Chamberlain. He has this reputation for having been "fooled" by Hitler but perhaps it's undeserved. I should read his own words before passing judgement...

AC also said "I'm not sure democracy will take hold in the Middle East" I'm hoping that it will one day but you're right to have your doubts...

bitmo, nice to see you again. I agree with you that we should fight the radicals but lumping "islamists, christians, jews, hindus" all together doesn't quite seem fair considering that the majority of news stories involve violence committed by Islamic radicals.

As FTGF said, I don't mind if you want to elaborate on, say, Christian and Jewish terrorism. For my part, I'll keep posting about who commits the majority of terrorist acts...

FTGF said "Democracies do not attack Democracies" Good point and I'm trying to think if ever a TRUE democratic country had attacked another democracy...I can't think of one. Maybe someone can? AC?

Bitmo also said "in no way was lashing out at you personally" Hey no offence taken! (my skin is thick...) I want you to feel free to continue commenting here. You won't be censored.

5:48 AM  
Blogger American Crusader said...

Neville Chamberlain didn't have much of a chance. He only became prime minister in May of 1937. Before that he held the office of Chancellor of the Exchequer, which was responsible for all financial and economic matters. He tried desperately to raise money for the military but was labeled as a warmonger by the Labor Party.

1:45 PM  
Blogger Woozie said...

In regards to the democracy attacking democracy question, yes (kind of.) The Confederate Sates of America and the Untied States of America attacked each other, starting the American Civil War. I say kind of because one could argue that neither the North nor the South was a 'true' democracy, but both had elected heads of state and elected representatives, as well as 'certain inalienable rights', since the Confederate constitution was almost a word-for-word copy of the U.S. Constitution.

4:26 PM  
Blogger Woozie said...

And one could argue that the CSA was never really a soverign state, because so few countries recognized them as a country, other than they themselves.

4:29 PM  
Blogger betmo said...

so- because i and many of my commenters lean left means that we have nothing valuable to say- ftgf? basically what you are saying is that any formulation or plan i may suggest would not be worth hearing- and even if you deigned me worthy to listen to- nothing i could say would be taken seriously. simply because i am a left leaning moderate. yes- there are people on my blog who lean further to the left than i do. i would hazard a guess that there are many folks here that lean right further than the host.

as for the christians and jews and hindus- just take a look at the world news. the christian right is attempting to impose its will on the american people- no not through bombing or guns necessarily- but how many people die because there isn't sufficient funding for research because of the ban on science? no- not just stem cells. how many innocent people were killed in lebanon because of a scorched earth policy against a few terrorists? please- spare me the tired rhetoric- i have heard it ad nauseum and could probably repeat it verbatim. you don't want to hear what i have to say and i am tired of having to listen to the same record over and over. let's just agree to vote in november. peace.

4:34 PM  
Blogger FreeCyprus said...

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American Crusader, much thanks for the additional info on Mr Chamberlain. He seems more interesting than I had once thought...

Woozie, interesting example, thanks for that. My knowledge of the US Civil War isn't as strong as I'd like it to be.

Betmo..."no not through bombing or guns necessarily"
Terrorists who use those ARE pretty bad, aren't they?? Aren't they a lot worse that some Christian who's against science?

Am I missing something here?

"because of the ban on science"...last time I checked, there wasn't a ban on science in the US or in the rest of the free West, certainly not in Canada. Do you have any idea how many "bans" are in effect in the middle east? Some even lead to people's deaths...

Here's a thought: if Hizbollah and other terrorist groups put more of their money into feeding and educating their people instead of "bombing or guns"..how many needless deaths of innocent people would be saved?

"you don't want to hear what i have to say"

I want to hear what you have to say and you have the right to say it.

God bless freedom.

2:09 PM  
Blogger FreeCyprus said...

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beakerkin said..."My Uncle spent some time in Cyprus...those were tough times but hardly forgotten."

Indeed: http://www.greece.org/cyprus/

4:07 PM  
Blogger Fight The Good Fight! said...

betmo: I said -'the Dems an Libs have no real solution'

By your very first words,
"because i and many of my commenters lean left means that we have nothing valuable to say-"

Clealy is one of a defensive posture.
SO tell me, tell me what the Dems an Libs have to offer??
What is the great workable formulation that will win hearts an minds, that will win a war against a brutal faction of a religious sect? That will stop at nothing but to have you killed? To have you submit to Allah? What is it?
Please indulge me.

I have always said, If they have good ideas that will work, we should implement them.

BTW- "I disagree with your inclusion of Christians and Jews, they do not terrorize anybody, unless you would like to expound on that. (?)"

betmo's answer-

"as for the christians and jews and hindus- just take a look at the world news. the christian right is attempting to impose its will on the american people- no not through bombing or guns necessarily-"

You clearly indicate above that christian, and jews are terrorizing. You call this terrorizing?? Your accusations are not substantiated by these assertions.

'the christian right is attempting to impose its will on the american people'

That's a rediculous thing to say. You vote don't you? We vote. Then vote if you don't like what anybody is proposing, or declaring; it's a free
country. NOBODY is taking your hand and FORCING your vote!


'but how many people die because there isn't sufficient funding for research because of the ban on science? no- not just stem cells. how many innocent people were killed in lebanon because of a scorched earth policy against a few terrorists? please- spare me the tired rhetoric- i have heard it ad nauseum and could probably repeat it verbatim. you don't want to hear what i have to say and i am tired of having to listen to the same record over and over. let's just agree to vote in november. peace."


"ban on science" ????what? Since when is there a ban on science?
If your talking about new stem cell lines, yeah that is banned. Yet no scientific analysis has completely, objectively concluded that injecting stem cells into anything has cured anything! A matter a fact, in one observation in rats, it grew tumors!

O my beto, your views here are not Moderate, they are far left!!

FTGF!

11:14 PM  
Blogger Fight The Good Fight! said...

Very good comments cyprus.
I think you see what I mean.
Take care good friend!
FTGF!

11:16 PM  

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